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Homesteader Justin Rhodes of AbundantPermaculture.com takes on the question - I am thinking want to leave my job and start a homestead, what are my options for cash flowing it?

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Heat causes issues on the farm.

Not just with the farmer, but with the crops. Crops bolt quickly, pest pressure increases, water usage goes up, seeds dry up, transplants fry.

How do you deal with those issues?

How do you raise the crops that your customers want in a way that works and gets you a saleable product, and in a way that doesn't cause you to burn out?

There are a whole bunch of active and passive strategies that you can employ to

From harvesting early in the morning to harvesting and late in the day, there are options, and this episode is all about dealing with the heat on the farm for the farmer and for the crops...

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Starting a new business can be daunting, especially when considering potential overhead and risk required. In this talk, Mark Oberle will discuss how he was able to utilize a contact from PV2 with Frank Golbeck of Golden Coast Mead to create a mutually beneficial arrangement and launch his own mead label while reducing startup cost and risk.

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Following up on his appearance on The Urban Farmer - Week 21 ("Transitioning Into Farming from the Corporate World...), Rob Kaiser will be expanding on the idea of transition. Transcending the idea of becoming a farmer on account of romantic ideology, Rob will discuss knowledge and skills specific to *you* and their application towards your end goal. Combined with discussion about the focus on living a values based live vs. a life based on the traditional corporate model, this five minute talk will provide you with much food for thought on what you need to do next as you continue making your own transition to living a more designed, purposeful, and deliberate life.

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Today's episode is a replay of Jack's presentation from PV3 in March 2016.

In that presentation he asked and explored the question, how do you take regenerative agriculture to the forward into the future, to the mainstream.

He presents an argument that's based on the idea that you can't drag anyone where you want them to go. You need to get them to want to get there.

Everyone might not agree on everything, and that's OK, because as Jack says, "let the politics end, where the soil begins."

Because we literally need both sides to do this. We need all hands on deck with everyone helping in their own way.

Hopefully this episode inspires you to do your part in what Jack explains isn't a revolution, but instead an insurrection.

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This is Part 2 of the Ben Hewitt series and it is inspired by Part 1, the interview with Ben about his book Home Grown. If you missed that one and want listen to it, you can listen to it here.

For today's episode, I want to expand upon some of my thoughts form the interview and the book. My goal for this episode was to make it a though provoking one.

It's me dancing between idealistic life and reality. Let's call it realistic idealism. How can we realistically create a system that is close to ideal as possible?

A lot of this is me thinking a loud and hopefully getting you to really think about you life and how things are.

There are a few central issues to this episode - time meaning how precious it is and us as adults dealing with raising the next generation of kids; maybe through the K-12 public school system, but maybe not after hearing this one.

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Homesteader Justin Rhodes of AbundantPermaculture.com talks what to do when you spouse isn't into the idea of being a homesteader.

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Most people don't get into farming to get rich.

Does that mean that you can't get rich farming, no it doesn't. But if you only motivation to farm is to get rich, then you better buckle up because you have rocky road ahead.

Because when it comes to amassing monetary riches the road hasn't historically been paved by good soil and a tractor.

That's not to say that there aren't rich farmers, because there are, but it's not the norm.

If are getting into farming only for the money, to get rich, then you better think about how you are going to do that, and why you are going to do that.

If money isn't your only motivator for getting into farming, then you better think about why you are getting into it, and how you are going to do it.

Either way it won't be easy. But either way can make you rich, it all comes down to, how you define rich.

Today's episode is a look beyond the bank account. It's a look at all of the other benefits and reasons to be an entrepreneur and to be farmer.

This episode is us kicking around ideas and brainstorming to broaden the idea of what being rich, truly means.

It's a definition that’s different for everyone. And it's one that you need to define when you get into this. Because if you define it, it makes it a lot easier to become rich, and if you don't then it makes it a lot easier to stay poor.

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Farmer John Suscovich of Camps Road Farm and FarmMarketingSolutions.com gives his thoughts on growing hops (for beer) commercially.

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Today’s show centers around Ben Hewitt’s book Home Grown; a great book that has had a profound effect on my life.

It's one of those books that I couldn't put down and at the same point it was hard to read because I got so lost in thought reading it.

It's a rare must read category book for me.

It should appeal to the homesteader, the wannabe homesteader, the parent, the soon to be parent, and the millions of people who are feel like the system did them wrong by sending them off on the wrong path in life destined to a life of track homes and cubicles.

It's a vicarious look into the life that many of wish we could live, but don't...

The subtitle of the book is Adventures in Parenting off the beaten path, unschooling and reconnecting with the natural world.

Ben describes it as his sharing of stories,

"They are not merely stories about all we are learning but also about all we are unlearning and about our imperfect quest to inhabit a balanced place that allows us to remain part of a broader world while also living in a way that is true to our values and vision. In a sense, for us this has been the easy part. I have found that the harder part is determining how to conduct our lives in a manner than honors these values and this vision, even as we are continually confronted with evidence that such a quest is impractical, if not downright naive."

The book is deep, and I hope that it gets you thinking.

This episode and this book is one that is very important to me because Ben's book had such an impact on me and as the title of this episode says, it got me to stop worrying and to start living. I hope that it has an impact on you, if you are in need of one.

Ben Hewitt and I, two father, talking kids and life, here it is.

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Homesteader Justin Rhodes of AbundantPermaculture.com talks how he prioritizes projects on his homestead.

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What if you are already selling at farmers markets, but you don't have enough of a diversity of products to design a CSA around?

If that's the case one option might be create a collaborative CSA.

The collaborative CSA allows you to expand your crop variety with competing with other farms and without diluting down your efforts on your farm. You grow what you grow best in your context, and source everything else from other farmers who are better setup to grow those specific products. It creates a win/win situation for you and the other farmers. Everyone grows what they grow best, and in theory sales go up. It's also a win for the consumer because they now have concentrated access to more local products, without having to sourcing these producing individually from each farmer.

Aggregators, collaborative CSA's and food broker models, are these models perfect? No. But if they give you options. And if you are having issues moving product, then more options might be better than less options. You just need to look at everything and figure out which combination is the best fit for you and your market.

In today's show we'll look at some alternative market streams for selling your vegetables, so to help you start thinking outside the box, so you can sell more boxes, of vegetables.

It's currently May 2016.

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Farmer John Suscovich of Camps Road Farm and FarmMarketingSolutions.com talks about the Three Books Every Farmer Should Own live on stage at PV3.

The Three Books:
The E-Myth Revisited by Michael Gerber - http://amzn.to/20QPuZk
Holistic Management by Allan Savory - http://amzn.to/1Vrvg8V
The Lean Farm by Ben Hartman - http://amzn.to/20QPd8W

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Today I am talking to Dave Sewak about his new book Mycelial Mayhem.

Dave has spent his whole life around mushrooms. It all started when he was a young boy and tagged along with his grandfather on his mushroom foraging expeditions. Dave then went on to become a mushroom forage himself and has spent nearly 2 decades cultivating mushrooms as a hobby and as a business.

His book helps combine the technical knowledge with the business side of things give you a basic introduction into what the small scale mushroom business is all about.

As you will here, it's not a business for everyone, but it is a business that stacks nicely onto na already existing enterprise.

And like all businesses it's not always as easy or fun as it sounds on the surface.

In today's show we'll will address these points and discuss some of the considerations to take into account if you want to start a mushroom business. We will also talk about integrating mushrooms into a garden setting, or a market garden setting. Could you add integrate mushrooms into that system and actually get productive results?

It's an interesting concept that may prove to be a worthwhile experiment for you.

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Homesteader Justin Rhodes of AbundantPermaculture.com talks what he wish knew before becoming a homesteader.

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To set the stage...

Curtis had a next door neighbor.  That neighbor used to own Curtis's house, and he rented that house from them and farmed in the back yard.  When his neighbor decided to sell the house, Curtis then purchased the house from his neighbor.  Subsequently that same neighbor went on to move to another house in the neighborhood, and began renting out the house next door to Curtis.

In the process a conversation began about Curtis farming his neighbor’s backyard now that it was a rental.

The conversation eventual led to an agreement, one where Curtis would take down the fence between his yard and his neighbors, and extend his farm into his neighbor's back yard.  

It's a process that was built on the back of respect and social capital, and facilitated by old fashioned conversation.

Today we'll take an extended look at the transition of that back yard from lawn to production farm, and all of the challenges and successes that went with it..

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Farmer John Suscovich of Camps Road Farm and FarmMarketingSolutions.com answers the question, "How do you structure your pasture poultry CSA?"

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Today, nearly two years after our first episode (permaculturevoices.com/63), I am picking up the conversation with Akiva.

We cover a lot of subjects which we didn't cover in the previous episode including:

Selling to wholesalers, selling trees online, shipping trees, and dealing with state regulations.

In addition to the practical tips and techniques, you'll also get an update on how Akiva evolved as an entrepreneur...

Because a lot has changed in the last few years for Akiva.

In 2014 nursery sales were 50% Akiva's income, this year in 2016 Akiva expects all of his income to from his on site nursery.

He no longer works away from home as a landscape.  He's a full time nursery man, and business owner.

It's an awesome story of a small business, that just started on the side...

Business continues to grow for Akiva and it's still a business that's literally rooted in loose, nutrient rich soil.  Akiva's small nursery business grows over 1000 trees on a half an acre.  Thousands of trees plant tightly together in loose, friable soil.  Very tight spacings that force trees to grow tall and straight in competition with their neighbors resulting in a lot of nursery stock that can be sold in the first year.

How many people out there have some extra space where they could grow a few hundred trees?  Trees to use in the development of your own property or to sell.  If you sold each tree for $5 or $10, then we are talking about some significant money given the amount of space it takes.   

It is simple, but it does take time, it is hard work.  We aren’t talking about any sort of gimmicks here.  It is about putting time, work, and care in to nurse these trees along to the point where you can sell them.

One other point to take note of.  When we first talked back in 2014, Akiva was growing around 1000 tree's on half an acre.  Things have changed and he's now scaled up to 10,000 trees on an acre.

That's a lot of trees, on not a lot of land.  But Akiva's making a go of it enjoying every step of the way.

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Homesteader Justin Rhodes of AbundantPermaculture.com talks about what types of chicken breeds are good for eggs and what type of breeds are good for meat on the homestead.

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Most of the tomatoes that Curtis grows fall into the cherry and saladette category - the smaller tomatoes.  These types of tomatoes offer several advantages - they are pretty vigorous, they have a relatively short DTM, and because chef's like them.  And when much of your sales are for restaurants, you grow what they want to buy.

Over the years Curtis has evolved his system for tomato culture.  And he now looks at them as a bit of a bonus crop given the way that he grows them.

Many home gardeners dedicate full rows to tomatoes and give the plants wide spacing’s.  

Curtis does the opposite.  He interplants his tomatoes; dedicating most of his bed space to another crop, while squeezing his tomatoes into the out 2 edges of each bed.  

This strategy works for several reasons.  It takes advantage of more of the soil strata.  The tomatoes are planted deep, so their roots occupy the deeper layers of soil.  While the main greens crops in the beds have shallow root systems.  So while the plants are planted in the same space competition is minimized.  Another reason why the competition is minimized is that the tomatoes occupy more of the vertical space.  If you time the plants strategically during the year plant growth and sun angles allow you to get more plants in the same space with no shading.

Overall, inter-planting has been huge for Curtis's farm.  It's what's allowed him to hundreds of pounds of greens and hundreds of pounds of tomato, in same relative space.  

Not a bad bonus yield in a situation where most farmers would simply leave the tomatoes out.  

Look around your garden at the extra space and think about that next time you plant your tomatoes.

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Farmer John Suscovich of Camps Road Farm and FarmMarketingSolutions.com answers the question, "How long do broiler chickens live?"

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Resilience comes from connection and interdependence. Frank Golbeck of Golden Coast Mead will talk about how helping Mark Oberle and other mead makers get their start has helped his business grow and helped the category of mead develop, lifting all participants.  

This talk was presented at PV3 in March 2016 by Frank Golbeck of Golden Coast Mead.

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In this presentation Taylor Walker covers perennial vegetable gardening in the subtropics and tropics.

Forget growing most of your traditional “grocery store vegetables” many of these will not tolerate the intense rains, humidity, heat, and pest pressure of the tropics and subtropics.   

Given that this presentation focus on more resilient perennial vegetables.  Taylor will talk about growing, propagating, selling, and using highly nutritious and versatile crops selected from subtropical locations around the world including Cassava, Yams, Moringa, Sweet Potato, Jackfruit, Longevity Spinach, Tumeric, and many more.

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What do you do as a farmer, when you are trapped in an agricultural system that values quantity not quality?  

A system where you literally get paid for now much you produce, irrespective of how nutrient dense it is or how sustainable it is.  

And how do you as a farmer work within that system if you don't agree with it.  

It's not easy, and there's going to be a lot of give and take.  At the end of the day as a farmer you need to make money, and that may mean putting some of your ideology behind you to make that money.  As we have heard on this show many times before chasing perfection may chase you right out of the farming business.  There needs to be a balance there between your vision of the agricultural future, and what the market will bear.  But balancing those out isn't always easy and it can be challenge.  

In today’s episode we’ll find out how Chris Kerston balanced those sides out.

Chris is now and employee of the Savory Institute, but before that he was a full time farmer.  For 6 years Chris co-managed a 2,000 acre diversified farm based on holistic grazing and permaculture in the Sacramento Valley. The farm is comprised of old growth olive orchards, heirloom stonefruits and citrus groves, and also raises grassfed cattle, sheep, goats, and pasture-raised chickens for both meat and eggs.

Chris knows his stuff on the land and he knows what goes into being a farmer and producing food.  But he also knows a lot about the current state of the agriculture movement.  Through his role as the Savory Institutes Marketing and Communication Director he travels the world with Allan Savory in addition to visiting tons of farms.  This has given him a wide ranging perspective on the agriculture space; something that we'll play off in today's episode.  

We'll talk about the differences between farming and ranching and why if you are worried about the big oil, you should really be worried about big grain.  We'll discuss the validity of organics, and is it economic.

And since Chris was a farmer we'll talk some farming..

This isn't just all macro ideas about the food space and the agriculture space.

Chris talks a lot farming nuts and bolts - pastured poultry in orchards, selling meat, advantages for selling wholes and halves versus cuts, and a whole lot more.  There is a lot in this one, enjoy it.

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Homesteader Justin Rhodes of AbundantPermaculture.com talks about what you should feed your new baby chicks.

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Greens are big business for Curtis' farm.  Both in terms of volume of product, and dollars generated for that product.

His customer base, which is mainly made of restaurants, buys a lot of greens.  And they pay good money for them.  But like many things on the farm there is a seasonality that goes along with restaurants and the products that Curtis sells to restaurants.

Typically spring is a slower time of year for restaurant sales, and thereby farm sales.  Things just aren't as busy.  

But this year is a bit of an anomaly, because Curtis's revenue is way up for the season.   

That increase in revenue can be attributed to a couple things.  First, he has picked up a few new wholesale customers outside of restaurants, and second, he is selling all of his customers more high value product, specifically greens.

More demand, means more production, so Curtis' production of greens on the farm is way up this year.  

But it's not just as simple as planting more beds of greens.  There's a lot of nuance involved...

When the beds were planted, how far apart the successions are, when do you harvest whole beds versus halves.

Logical considerations, but not always the simplest to wrap your head around.

That’s what we will be focusing on in today's episode.

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Farmer John Suscovich of Camps Road Farm and FarmMarketingSolutions.com answers the question, "How do you manage your chicken brooder?"

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Liberation Permaculture by Toby Hemenway.

This episode is the rebroadcast of Toby talk from PV2 in March 2015.

Permaculture offers more than a path to a sustainable and just food system. It can move entire segments of our society off the radar screens of state oppressors and help return equality, abundance, and justice to people while restoring healthy ecosystems. This talk will tell you how.

Here's a hint on how that's possible. If you can't measure it, you can't tax it.

Enjoy it, I hope it gets you thinking.

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Homesteader Justin Rhodes of AbundantPermaculture.com talks about what you should feed your new baby chicks.

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What would the 2000 sq.ft. farm, let's call it a micro-farm, look like?

How could you best utilize that space and take many of the techniques that Curtis uses on his current 1/2 acre urban farm, to make the micro-farm generate some decent cash flow.

How much could you make on a micro-farm of just 2000 square feet?

Really it depends on what you are growing and who you are selling it to. But grossing 20,000 on that 2000 square feet isn't crazy talk. And even half that, $10,000, is a realistic target to shoot for.

When you think about that, that's a pretty lucrative given the space involved. I think most people can get access to 2000 sq.ft.  That's essentially fits well within your average American lawn.

The 2000 square foot micro-farm has a lot of things going for it.  It's manageable, yet scaleable. It's big enough to matter to start you thinking and implementing a lot of these systems, yet it's not over whelming. It makes a great transition plot for someone looking to transition into farming or just get their feed wet.

Given that today will be a case study looking at the 2000 sw ft micro farm.

We'll break down what this farm might look like. How you would want to manage it. What types of crops you would want to focus on, and put some a basic framework in place that you can build off of.

As, you see, you can do a lot with 2000 square feet, and it might not be that small after all.

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Farmer John Suscovich of Camps Road Farm andFarmMarketingSolutions.com answers the question, "How quicklyshould you scale up a pastured poultry operation?"

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As you will hear from my guest today Paul Greive of Primal Pastures "One of the most important things about marketing is not convincing people your product is X, it's about finding people who actually want X."
 
That’s the route that Primal Pastures has gone.  They don’t sell a cheap product.  They have positioned themselves as the premium product.   And that means they don’t try to compete in on price.  And they don’t worry about the non-believers or the price discriminant buyers. Because no amount of convincing is going to make that buyer pay up.  They already have a price point set in their mind, and the mind is a very hard thing to change as a marketing.
 
Therefore Primal Pasture’s sole job as marketers is to try to find and sell to the believers.  The customers who value their product for what it is and are willing to pay for it.  
 
Over time they have learned that "It's a really sustainable model when you can start focusing on the customer and then you can figure out what products meet their needs and what your skills are to make those products.”  It’s a key distinction that they have made for their brand, Primal Pastures and one that they have stuck too.
 
Branding and marketing are just one of the topics that Paul Greive of Primal Pastures and I talk about today.
 
In addition to that you will also learn about how to prepare for a transition from full time job to full time farmer, how to overcome early obstacles in farm startup and Paul tackles the question - is pastured poultry a good business?

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Homesteader Justin Rhodes of AbundantPermaculture.com talks about what type of electric fence and charger he uses on his homestead.

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Big isn't always better. More just for the sake of having more is pointless.

Just because you have access to more land doesn't mean you need to take it.

If you are getting bigger then you better have a reason why you are getting bigger...

If you are thinking about expanding stop and ask why? Does it fit within the overall plan that you have for your business, your farm, and your life?

If not, then don't do it.

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